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  The BRAND is what sells JW's and the alternate lifestyle

  by Terry in

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  jehovah's witnesses don't have a message.

  they have an alternate lifestyle.. for persons put off by teachings of eternal torment they offer eternal sleep or a paradise earth.. for christians disaffected by tepid sermons and rituals they offer a vital lifesaving field service ministry.. in a world saturated in sex and exhibitionism, loud rude music and apathy they offer modesty of dress, cleanliness and worldwide family.. they are seen by the world much the same way as the amish only more modern.. people find their teaching quaint or laughable but think they are sincere and eager for postive change.. .

  this is a brand more than a religion.. when the average person looks at jw's they see loyalty.

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  Bungi Bill

  Terry,

  The operative word here is "appear"!

  Bill.
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  Remember the 1961 green Bible?

  by outbutnotdown in

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  i know there are numerous examples of crazy, whacked out stuff that the wtbts taught that most of here now realize were just that...... crazy and whacked......... but do you know how insane some of the stuff in that original 1961 bible was?.

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  Bungi Bill

  I might be going against the grain here in saying this, but I was actually quite impressed with the thing when I first encountered it.

  When my newly-converted JW grandmother gave me one as a present back in 1964, the mainstream churches were still using the King James version - and the archaic English in that used to put a lot of people off, including me.

  At least the "Witnesses' bible" was written in modern English (little did I know!)

  Bill.
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  The Time is More Important than Results

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on my way in to work this morning (saturday), at 6:05 am on a commercial business street in chicago, i saw two sisters and a brother bundled up in winter clothes and doing "street work.

  " it wasn't that cold, so i guess they started even earlier when they needed their scarf and gloves.

  there was absolutely nobody else walking and all the businesses were closed.

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  Bungi Bill

  If this world was really facing an imminent catastrophe, like the JWs are supposed to believe, then they would need to use more effective means of warning the public than standing on an empty street with a couple of magazines at some impossibly early time of the morning.

  They would instead more likely be using similar methods to those used by our local emergency services whenever there is a bushfire alert;

  - i.e. Warnings firstly broadcast over the Radio and TV, then evacuation warnings sounded out from the loud hailers on the emergency service vehicles.

  This, too, is what would be done if any other imminent catastrophe was really going to happen:

  - resorting to any other means of sounding a "warning" is an admission by default that the event you are warning about is not actually going to happen after all!

  Bill
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  Will the Watchtower Society benefit from the looming financial collapse?

  by redvip2000 in

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  2. beliefs

  if you have your eyes and ears open and can put 2 and 2 together, you have like many of us, have figured out that there is an impending financial collapse in the united states.

  the type of financial collapse that likely has never been seen.. whether you believe this is being done intentionally by global power hungry groups bent on bringing us to our knees, in order to push their agenda, or whether it is being done out of carelessness and stupidity is hardly relevant at this point.. the writing is on the wall.

  experts (and all who want to) can see it , high level officials expect it, and are already implementing the contingencies that are needed in order handle the civil unrest that will ensue.

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  Bungi Bill

  I can recall how they liked to point to the case of Germany, following WWII.

  With its economy wrecked at the end of that war, unemployment and hardship was the order of the day into the early 1950s. It was during those years that the Dubs experienced considerable growth in that country.

  However, as the German "Economic Miracle" kicked in through the '50s and '60s, this changed. Hand in hand with growing prosperity, what the WTS likes to describe as "apathy" set in.

  In describing those events, the WTS was as good as saying outright that theirs is a religion which thrives on economic hardship.

  Bill.
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  Who pioneered with the promise of having 'Jehovah provide' and ended up dirt poor anyway?

  by Julia Orwell in

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  2. friends

  i ask this because the wt always bangs on about if you trust in jehovah and make that leap into pioneering, you will always be provided for.

  at the time i joined the cult, a friend was continuous aux.

  pioneering.

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  Bungi Bill

  I plead guilty to that one!

  After starting as a "Regular Pioneer", I was very quickly on the bones of my @$$ - and there I stayed! My non-JW father saw through all this, noting that there were "plenty of wealthy ones amongst you - who stay that way because they like it." However, that only stoked my already well developed typical JW persecution complex even further, and I took no heed of him (unfortunately).

  Bill.
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  Whatever happened to the "Fall of Babylon the Great" and the "drying up of the churches?

  by villagegirl in

  1. watchtower
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  i am from the era of the babylon book, and all the wt predictions that the churches of christendom would "dry up".

  the book babylone the great has fallen god's kingdom rules, said people would leave the churches of christendom, in droves and the ministers would have no more people in their churches while "god's organization" would see a tremendous increase, a huge overflowing great crowd, all streaming into the watchtower and coming to the "faithful and discreet slave" for instructions.

  thirty years ago there were six million jw's , today after the "great increase", and " great crowd" is now ?

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  Bungi Bill

  "Why did we waste our time and our lives believing all those lies?

  I wish I knew."

  My sentiments, exactly!!!!!

  Bill.
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  40 years on - and still in Damage Control mode!

  by Bungi Bill in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  earlier this morning, i posted off to the the institute of engineers an application for membership as an "engineering associate":.

  - today being just over 40 years since the congregation's retards elders made me abandon my apprenticeship.. (in this part of the world, the pre-1975 hype was taken to that level.

  not being content to prevent young persons attending university, they went one step further and treated with hostility any youngster who would "tie up five years of their lives" by entering into an apprenticeship.

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  Bungi Bill

  Thanking everyone for their messages of support.

  My application is now with the Competency Assessment Committee of the Institute of Engineers. They typically take 5 - 6 weeks to complete their review. If the verdict is favorable, you are then able to apply for membership.

  It is a rather drawn out process - but if successful, more than worth it!

  I will let everyone know how it all turns out.

  Bill.

  PS:

  Ding - you are very correct in your observation that the WTS / GB bible chronology craziness goes much further than mere " failed expectations." The hardships that this has inflicted on the lives of those that took heed of that "food at the proper time" would almost fill a book - and one that didn't make for very pleasant reading!
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  40 years on - and still in Damage Control mode!

  by Bungi Bill in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  earlier this morning, i posted off to the the institute of engineers an application for membership as an "engineering associate":.

  - today being just over 40 years since the congregation's retards elders made me abandon my apprenticeship.. (in this part of the world, the pre-1975 hype was taken to that level.

  not being content to prevent young persons attending university, they went one step further and treated with hostility any youngster who would "tie up five years of their lives" by entering into an apprenticeship.

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  Bungi Bill

  Earlier this morning, I posted off to the the Institute of Engineers an application for membership as an "Engineering Associate":

  - Today being just over 40 years since the congregation's retards elders made me abandon my apprenticeship.

  (In this part of the world, the pre-1975 hype was taken to that level. Not being content to prevent young persons attending university, they went one step further and treated with hostility any youngster who would "tie up five years of their lives" by entering into an apprenticeship.)

  Engineering Associate is about the highest level a busted-@$$ electrician like me can now aspire to achieve.

  Even then, I don't actually have the minimum academic qualifications (an Advanced Diploma) to gaurantee automatic entry at that level.

  However, the Institute of Engineers does make provision for the likes of myself:

  - i.e. persons who can demonstrate from their employment record that they have acquired the necessary level of skills and knowledge to match those provided by the Advanced Diploma course. (They are, though, rather particular about how you obtained that knowledge - looking for evidence of a systematic program of study, rather than haphazard "on the job" type training).

  I am hopeful that they will accept how I obtained my engineering knowledge - Electrical Trade , Advanced Trade Studies, followed by Specialist employer provided Technical Training, plus that provided by the various manufacturers of electrical plant - to be proof of a systematic study program.

  Here goes anyway! Does anybody want to wish me luck?

  Bill.

  PS: To any young JWs lurking here, don't repeat what I did. Go for the degree course, and enter into it straight from high school. It is, of course, possible to pick it up later on - but, putting it very mildly, a bloody sight harder to do! You will save yourselves a huge amount of grief by entering the degree course directly from high school. More and more, the emphasis is on academic qualifications - and less on those like me, who have much industry experience, but lack those formal qualifications.
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  Stupidology and its findings

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since the early 1800's in america a number of new religions have appeared.. the church of jesus christ of latter day saints (mormons), christian science, jehovah's witnesses, scientology, etc.. there are elements in common.. some individual makes unprovable claims, untestable assertions and crafts unusual doctrines which dovetail in some ways with established beliefs while.

  simultaneously and radically replacing them.. mormons produce a better and purer revelation in their book of mormon.. scientologists piggy-back off of psychiatry and gnosticism while inventing a new technology which eliminates infestations by alien beings trapped inside humans.. jehovah's witnesses claim leadership by a governing body as a sole channel of communicating escape plans from the imminent war of god on humans.. and so forth.... .

  practioners of these religions must sooner or later grapple with disproofs which include discoveries made public of lies, misrepresentations and duplicity.. yet, the majority of adherents selectively dismiss such revelations as a test of their own faith and an opportunity to demonstrate solidarity.. a close examination of this self-reinforced refusal to confront disputatious rebuttal of doctrine i choose to call stupidology.. .

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  Bungi Bill

  For those who like to claim that reading Awake and Watchtower gives one the equivalent of a university degree, Terry has just identified which field of science that degree covers - i.e. Stupidology!

  Bill.
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  Everlasting life is a free gift. Or is it?

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  at the meetings i hear from time to time that everlasting life is a free gift from jehovah, but from a jehovahs witness point of view is it really?.

  you will not receive the "gift" if:.

  you miss meetings.

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  Bungi Bill

  So little is this emphasized that most JWs are totally unware that the bible does indeed describe salvation as a free gift from God.

  While the WTS occassionally pays lip service to what the bible has to say on this matter, the idea comes over very strongly that it is instead Salvation by Report Card.

  Bill.